-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Re: Please send...]
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:53:32 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>, Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
CC: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill Pelican <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>

My reply follows Carl's message (seeing as this message is "new" to
everyone else).

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Please send...
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:14:15 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>


Rick:
Have you resigned from the Incorporation Committee?  I hope not, but I
don't know.

I remember a few years ago I had some strong misgivings about your
conduct towards others and I sent you a personal letter (only to you)
explaining my position in detail.  You responded positively and thanked
me for keeping my issues with you -- just between us, and not sending to
a larger audience.  In the end, you and I resolved our issues (within a
private dialogue between us) and moved on.

I have not received any direct messages from you since our latest
Incorporation Committee meeting, but it appears that others on the
Incorporation Committee and Board may have.  No one has copied me, so I
don't know.  If I was excluded from a message you sent, that action
would appear counter to the philosophy you previously supported above.

As you know, you received an immediate apology from me.  When
"California Jon Carroll" launched off, I didn't realized that he was
reacting to your mis-sent e-mail.  I just read his angry letter and
responded with a request for people to update their address books.  This
was my mistake,  ...and I immediately owned up to it (to you) and made
sure the Incorporation Committee and Board were also aware.

So please include me on any of your previous correspondence from last
week.  It makes sense to send any resignation letters to the chair of
the committee.  Let me know what your plans are.  I do hope you'll
continue to remain with our group.  You are a valued member who has
contributed valued work.  On the other hand, if you have determined that
your remaining is not possible, please let me know whether your previous
work will be shared with your neighbors.  If you do not intend to share
it, it would be helpful for me to know this now.   Adjustments will then
be made and I will have to redo the work in some form.  Again, it is my
hope that you'll remain, or that we may benefit from your generous
labors to date.

Write me back and let me know.  Also, please send me any previous
correspondence that I was not a part of.  Thanks, Rick.

--- Carl

........................................................................

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Incorporation Committee of the Indian River
Drive Freeholders, Inc. and Members of the Board of Directors of the
IRDFH, Inc. who are not presently also members of the Incorporation
Committee:

My response to this latest will be both comprehensive and lengthy.

The "final straw" which led to my resignation from the Incorporation
Committee and reassertion of copyright to ALL of the works published on
my web site, and specifically those relating to the South Indian River
Drive "neighborhood", located at -
https://rickinbham.tripod.com/TownOfSIRD/index.htm
and all web pages linked from there (which is solely the result of my
own personal research and publishing effort) performed for this
committee and the IRDFH, Inc. as an unpaid volunteer actually rests
not only in a single issue or action but also is the result of a series
of communiqués (or lack there of) which commenced following our last
committee meeting on the evening of 6 August 2008.

I have included ALL of these (plus a lengthy review summary of efforts
undertaken for the benifit of the IRDFH thru August 2006, refered to in
my resignation email) so there will be NO question of being uninformed
or misinformed re. this matter, or the totality of events which lead to it.

In my view, this latest query from Carl appears to be nothing more than
another attempt to "cover his posterior" by claiming to have not
received certain email messages or not be able to view or reply to
messages in the various Yahoo Groups which Adam has set up for The_Drive
(or leadership communications within the the IRDFH BOD).

I list these here and follow this summary with "forwarded copies" of
each referenced item (within this single message) in order to capture
the full message headers - including dates, time stamps, and the
message's distribution.  These are all listed, and copied, in sequence
of their date and time stamps.

This message is also posted on my website and linked from the page -
https://rickinbham.tripod.com/TownOfSIRD/IRR_Incorp_Docs/SIRD_Inc_Feas_Study_Draft_Rev_History.html
wherein the ability exists to "jump" via links from the summary
description of the referenced email directly to a copy of that email
(and return to the summary with your browsers "back" button".

Rick

.....................

1.
To:  Dr. Stronge
+    The Incorporation Committee
(08/07/2008 - 12:26 AM)
I drafted an email to Dr. Stronge preparing to move on and support
him with research and writing in the completion of his contracted tasks
# 2, 3, and 4 and our Incorporation Feasibility Study Report.


2.
To:  The Inc. Committee
Cc:  members of the BOD of IRDFH, Inc not members of the Inc. Committee
Cc: to The_Drive Group at Yahoo
(08/07/2008 - 8:41 AM)
I forwarded a copy of an article in the August 7th Ft. Pierce
Tribune about Ft. Pierce's Annexation plans of the Shereton Plaza
Community, currently an enclave within the City of FP.
NOTE:  Jon Carroll's email address was pulled correctly from my address
book - his yahoo address - in this email.


3.
From:  Challenge Responce
(08/07/2008 - 8:44 AM)
I received a "Spam Challenge" to Item 2.  (Similar to several
received since May 2008 based on emails to The_Drive Group)


4.
To:  The Inc. Committee
Cc:  members of the BOD of IRDFH, Inc not members of the Inc. Committee
(08/07/2008 - 9:36 AM)
I wrote an email headed "QUESTION ??????" seeking input from all
addresses of item 2 trying (again) to identify the reason for the "Spam
Challenge".
NOTE:  In pulling Jon's address for this message I erred and pulled his
"old" address at comcast


5.
From:  Carl
(08/07/2008 - 9:34 AM)
IMMEDIATELY following sending item 4, I received an individual reply
from Carl to the "QUESTION ??????"  EMAIL.
NOTE:  This appears to be out of sequence.  However, Date and time
stamps originate based on the sending Computer's clock and date setting.
Apparently on this date - Carls's clock was set 3 or 4 minutes behind my
setting - which is reset daily to the NIST time standard.


6.
From: Jon Carroll (in California)
(08/07/2008 - 10:08 AM)
I received as a "Reply to all" to the distribution of #4, an email
from the "wrong" Jon Carroll (from California) requesting again that we
all correct our email address to OUR Jon's correct email address.


7.
From:  Postmaster at Comcast.net
(08/07/2008 - 10:12 AM)
I received an email bounce notice from the comcast "postoffice"
which indicated that this email was NOT delivered to
joncarroll@comcast.net... User Unknown
NOTE:  This was a bit strange, having already received Jon (in
California's) reply to the misdirected email, and the ONLY email bounce
I received indicating a message delivery failure.


8.
To:  Carl
(08/07/2008 - 10:35 AM)
I replied - individually to Carl based on his message #5 in this
sequence.  In addition, I expressed my continued concerns about the "us
and them" attitude that seems to prevail between the Incorporation
Committee (or its leadership) and the balance of the IRDFH BOD - not
members of this committee with the suggestion that our committee's
correspondence procedure be changed to include all committee members AND
all board members.  I also attached the draft of the email to Dr.
Stronge and requested Carls comment and feedback as our Committee Chair.

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is a continuation of remarks I've made in committee that despite
our individual feelings or experiences concerning Adam - he IS the
elected President of our IRDFH, Inc., is it's elected spokesperson, and
is it's elected contracting officer.  As such, we need to honor the
office - if not the person.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


9.
To:  Jon Carroll (in California)
Cc:  all others in didtribution for #4
(08/07/2008 - 10:54 AM)
I replied to Jon Carroll (in California) appologising for my error
in picking out the incorrect address from my address book for "our Jon".


10.
To:  Jon Carroll (in California)
(08/07/2008 - 11:07 AM)
I sent a follow-up to Jon Carroll (at comcast.net) forwarding the
email bounce notice from the comcast postmaster.


11.
To:  Jon Carroll (on SIRD)
(08/07/2008 - 11:14 AM)
I sent a message individually to "our Jon" attaching the QUESTION
?????? email that I'd erroneously sent to Jon Carroll (at comcast.net).


12.
From:  Carl
(08/07/2008 - 11:38 AM)
I received Carl's message "[Re: Help this person out and correct
your address books, now.]"  Which was a reply to all addressees from
message #6 PLUS Bob & Kristi Ashley (?) highlighting the fact that - Jon
Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net> - In California (Wrong address) and
concluding with the line -
"This borders on incompetence that people can't get this straight."

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This statement in Carl's reply, in conjunction with the included message
string back to my original email, I felt, was simply another direct and
insulting slap in the face.

In view of the fact that I had already addressed and (I felt) made
amends for a simple error, this closing sentence from Carl was the
"final straw" in a LONG SEQUENCE of events that led to my resegnation
from this Committee and the withdrawal of more than 1500 hours of
research effort, writing, and/or work on behalf of the The Indian River
Drive Freeholders over a period of nearly 7 years.  This continued
effort was a somewhat reluctant resumption in August 2006 when Carl and
Cristi were attempting to engage Dr. Ned Murray for the "professional
preparation" of our Incorporation Feasibility Study Report and convinced
me to continue my work and effort, make my work available to our
consultant and work with him to produce "the best" and most convincing
IFS Report possible.

In addition, I felt it to be totally "out of line" that Carl should
reply to this minor issue, arrising from a simple mistake,  when he had
not yet replied (and has not yet to this date replied) to my DIRECT
request for advise and direction concerning ongoing contact with Dr.
Stronge and the completion of our IFS Report.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


13.
To:  John O'Conner
(08/07/2008 - 1:37 PM)
I wrote to Mr. John O'Conner "begging off & postponing" a possible
360x360 photography project relating to historic properties on The Drive
due to the committments I expressed at our Incorporation Committee
meeting on the evening of August 6th.


14.
To:  To Incorporation Committee
Cc: to members of the BOD of The IRDFH, Inc
Cc: Dr. Stronge
(08/07/2008 - 4:32 PM)
After several hours of "stewing", I submitted my resignation from
this Incorporation Committee.  In that message I made reference to, and
quoted from, a long email and post from August 2006 when I recommitted
to this effort. (I have copied that message in it's entirity in the
follow-up complete string of related messges leading to my resignation
and reservation of copyright on my personal work product).


15.
From:  Kevin
(08/07/2008 - 9:52 PM)
I received Kevin's note concerning the email address mix-up


16.
From:  Carl
(08/07/2008 - 11:32 PM
I received Carl's note about overreacting:
"I overreacted.  I hadn't even checked the source of the problem
(today's writer),  ...I just reacted to this guy in California pleading
to be left off our communications."


17.
From:  Jon (on SIRD)
(08/08/2008 - 12:51 AM)
I received "our" Jon's explanation (again) about how this email address
problem came to be - Comcast's take over of Adelphis - and the fact that
when the email swap over was implemented (our) Jon's email address at
Comcast was already taken.  Hence his revised email address at Yahoo.


18.
From:  Jon (in California)
(08/08/2008 - 1:26 AM)
I received Jon's reply to Kevin re. the email address mix-up


19.
From:  Kevin
(08/08/2008 - 6:26 AM)
I received Kevin's reply to Jon (in California) about being admonished.


20.
From:  Jon (in California
(08/08/2008 - 10:59 AM)
I received Jon (in California's) reply to Kevin


21.
From:  Carl
(08/12/2008 - 2:14 PM)
I received Carl's "Please send..." message which led off this reply.

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The FIRST message copied and attached is my August 2006 message
to Cristi concerning her request that my working draft of the
Incorporation Feasibility Study be reposted and made available to a
hired professional consultant.  This was the first communique re. the
Incorporation effort received since roughly October of 2004 when the
decision was made - unilaterally by the IRDFH BOD (without Incorporation
Committee Input) to seek it's preparation by a paid consultant.

The "Incorporation Committee" was not reconvened in this effort until
roughly September or October of 2007 when Dr. Stronge's proposal was
being drafted for consideration.

Messages #0 thru #21 summarized above follow
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             COPIES OF REFERENCED MESSAGE'S
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                            #0
[Fwd: "Indian River Ridge" - Incorporation Feasability Study]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: "Indian River Ridge" - Incorporation Feasability Study
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:30:22 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>
CC: Kevin Stinnett <STINNEKM@gate.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>,
   Kriste Ashley <Kriste.Ashley@americanhm.com>, Bob Ashley
<ashley@wpb.nuwc.navy.mil>, Jon Carroll <joncarroll@adelphia.net>, Kay
Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Carl
Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@aol.com>,
Harry Hery <suzy.hery@scripps.com>, Bruce Wunner <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>,
Ed Stover <ewstover@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>, Bobby Edwards <RDub47@aol.com>,
George Edwards <slim050641@yahoo.com>

To:  Christi Mollet, President - The Indian River Drive Freeholders
CC:  All Officers and Directors of The IRD Freeholders, Inc.
               (for whom I have email addresses)
CC:  All members of the IRDFHA - Incorporation Feasibility Study
              Committee
CC:  The Drive (Yahoo Discussion Group, via Fwd.)

Subject:  Your telephone request for use of the Preliminary Draft IFS
                  Report which I had written and posted for review and
                  comments back in May 2004

Christi,

Ref. your telephone call last Wednesday concerning the "absence" of this
study's "Working Draft" that I had composed and posted on my web site
back in early 2004.  You indicated that you wanted it now to give to Dr.
Ned Murray for his use in "professionally" preparing the Incorporation
Feasibility Study, under contract, from the Freeholders Association.

Indulge me, while I review and date some background on things that I
have done (or have attempted to do) for the benefit of the Freeholders,
before answering this latest query.  Unfortunately, this review is
lengthy.  However, over the past 5 1/2 years - I've done a lot, "on my
dime" - and on my time.

The Incorporation Feasibility Study Committee of the Indian River Drive
Freeholders, Inc. was "commissioned" at the October 2001 meeting of the
Association.  Note, that by the committees NAME, this committee was
organized for one purpose - to deliver a Feasibility Study for the
Incorporation, as a new municipality, of the properties on "The Drive".
This was it's sole charge.

At the January 2003 Freeholders meeting Carl Flick, as chairman of the
IFS committee, delivered a somewhat rambling account of the committees
efforts to that date, basically that the committee had obtained and was
reviewing the Comprehensive Plans for Ft. Pierce, Port St. Lucie, and
St. Lucie County, and was formulating some plans to meet with
politicians concerning our desire to incorporate -  to test their
reactions and hopefully gain their support.

This meeting was the most well attended meeting (standing room only) of
the Association since I moved here in October 2000.  I'm sure that this
"overflow crowd" had the expectation of seeing some results from a years
worth of the committee's efforts.  Unfortunately there were no tangible
results to share - not even a map of the proposed boundaries or a
realistic "feel" for the number of properties involved or number of
people who might be effected.

Over the next few weeks, I captured, compiled, printed and framed a
"hard copy of" , and published a proposed town limits map from the maps
available at the St, Lucie County Property Appraisers onsite, offered my
services to the Committee, and commenced research leading to  the
compilation of a detailed  properties records database for effected
properties.  On March 10, 2004, following approximately 7 weeks of
detailed records research I introduced myself, via email, to the
committee members prior to attending my first Incorporation Committee
meeting and included with that introduction the following (preliminary)
property records results summary.  (Hopefully, in your email display,
the numbers will remain aligned as they are in mine and as intended.)

Proposed "Town of South Indian River Drive"

                           PARCEL SUMMARY - BY ADDRESS    

                                                                                        Parcels     ADJ            Rev


S INDIAN RIVER DR (3131A - 13549 SIRD)                     474  ***   -18           455
S INDIAN RIVER DR (E) (VARIOUS, Even # address)         15                             15
S INDIAN RIVER DR (E-SL) "Submerged Land"                      3                                3

---- Side Streets (N to S) ----

RIO VISTA DR (~ 3143 SIRD)                                               20                              20
SOUTH SECOND STREET (~ 3143 SIRD)                              1                                1
W OF RR @ RIO VISTA (~ 3143 SIRD)                                  2                                2
"SIRD" @ Elko S/D (~ 4812 SIRD)***                             *** +5                                5
INDIANAPOLIS STREET (~ 4812 SIRD)                                 1                                1
INDIANAPOLIS DRIVE (~ 4812 SIRD)                                   1                                 1
W OF RR N OF MIDWAY                                                        3                                 3
E MIDWAY RD                                                                        15                               15
W OF RR S OF MIDWAY                                                          5                                5
"SIRD" @ (PVT) UNSIGNED RD(~ 8207 SIRD)                     ***          *** +12       12
LETTS LANE (Walkona S/D-abandoned)(~9605 SIRD)               1                                 1
WALKONA DRIVE (Walkona S/D-Abandoned)~ 9605 SIRD      2                                2
UNNAMED STREET @ Walkona S/D-Abandoned~9605 SIRD   1                                1
S INDIAN RIVER LN (PVT) (~ 10203 SIRD)                               8                               8
(PSL) S INDIAN RIVER DR ("FIND")~10403 SIRD)                    3                               3
(PSL) S INDIAN RIVER DR (St Lucie Co,10701 SIRD)                1                               1
OHIO ST-"Walton Community"(~ 11001 SIRD)                               5                              5
HARRIS ST-"Walton Community"(~ 11050 SID)                              4                              4
RIDGE CIR-"Walton Community"(~ 11097 SIRD)                            3                              3
RIDGE PL (PVT)-"Walton Community"(~ 11301 SIRD)                    7                             7
MAIN ST-"Walton Community"(~ 11311 SIRD)                                9                             9
RIDGE AV-"Walton Community"(~11001 - 11311 SIRD)                27            -1           26
W OF RR @ WALTON                                                                    3                             3
UNNAMED STREET W OF RR @ WALTON                                9             -4             5
(PSL) SIRD (Private owned, N&S of Walton Rd)                               4                             4
(PSL) SIRD (E)(Private owned, N&S of Walton Rd)                          4                              4
(PSL) WALTON RD                                                                         3                              3
CONKLIN WAY (PVT)(~ 11999 SIRD)                                          5                              5
RIVERVIEW DR (~12035 SIRD)                                                    13                            13
WALTON LANDING CIRCLE (PVT)(~12045 SIRD)                     5                              5
GUMBO LIMBO LN (~ 11953 - 12225 SIRD)                                4                               4
BAY TREE LN (PVT)(~ 12225 SIRD)                                              8                               8
SPRING HILL DR (~12521 SIRD)                                                   7                                7
SHERIDAN LN (~ 12521 - 12623 SIRD)                                       14                              14
MOCKINGBIRD HILL LN (PVT)(~ 12685 SIRD)                           6                                6
REFUGE LN (PVT)(~12737 SIRD)                                                   8                                8
W OF RR @ EDEN'S REFUGE                                                         2                                2
"SIRD" - PLEASANT VIEW DR (PVT)(~13175 SIRD)                                *** +1            1

(ROW) FEC RR                                                                                24                               24
SAVANNAS PRESERVE (~5001 - 13459 SIRD)                            87                              87

                            TOTAL, Parcel Count                                           817               -5         812
                   LESS - Port St. Lucie Parcels                                                                           -15
Total Parcels - From Rio Vista S/D thru Eden Plantation                                                      797

Deeded name(s) for these 797 parcels ............................................................................... 524


Plus Property Inventory (preliminary) for -

           “The Last Half Mile” - North of the County Line

“Area Identity”

Indian River Landing Condominiums
9 Buildings (indicated)
Individual Property Owners are not Identified “online”.
Estimated # of “Parcels” and Owners ---------------------------------- 80
West of FEC RR, Trust Fund parcels ----------------------------------– 1

Netherby Ave Number of Parcels --------------------------------------- 12
West of FEC RR, Trust Fund parcels -----------------------------------– 1

Watertower Home Owners Assn Number of Parcels ---------------------- 6

Princess Landing Number of Parcels -------------------------------------- 9

Eden Creek Lane, The Oaks at Indian River Number of Parcels ---------- 18

SIRD between The Oaks & Lake manor Number of Parcels --------------- 3

Lake Manor Park Cooperative -
This “parcel” has a “strange look” in the online map.  The majority of
the land does not appear to be assigned “ownership”.  Individual
trailer properties are identified.  Also, the available land does not
appear to be “built out”.
         Number of identified Trailer parcels ----------------------------------- 68

Florida Inland Navigation District, FIND (East & West of FEC RR)
         Number of Parcels ----------------------------------------------------- 1

“South End” West of the FEC RR (nic – FIND)
        Number of “Private” Parcels -------------------------------------------– 2
        Number of Trust Fund Parcels -----------------------------------------– 3
St Lucie Co Parcel, “Wetland Way” –----------------------------------------- 1
St. Lucie Co Parcel, County Line Rd ROW ----------------------------------- 1

Estimated Number of additional “parcels” ----------------------------------- 206
Estimated number of additional “owners” ------------------------------------ 203

....................................................................

TOTAL, estimated number of “Parcels” – 1003

TOTAL, estimated number of “Owners”  -  727

This preliminary estimate of the number of parcels involved and numbers
of property owners to be potentially effected by incorporation was
considerably different (by about a factor of 3x) from the "about 200 to
250" that I was advised were in the Freeholders mailing list.  I offered
to compare my detailed results with the Freeholders mailing list, or
compile an updated mailing list from this properties analysis but have
never been furnished (even after several follow-up requests) a copy of
the Freeholders mailing list or mailing file.

On April 8, 2003 I sent out a "Final Counts" report, following an
additional 4 weeks (11 weeks total) of detailed work and analysis which
included three attached reports which summarized what "we" represent as
the Indian River Drive Freeholders, Inc. - 682 "private" land/property
owners of 840 privately held parcels.
Attachments:
                          SIRD Properties Inventory.txt
                          SIRD Properties Inventory_Tax_Summary.txt
                            (2002 Appraisals for the2003 Tax year)
and a graph of Properties Development to date -
                          SIRD_Development_History.jpg

Copies of these attachments were affixed to my big hard copy map.

At the Freeholders April 2003 meeting Tom Burgess, our then current
President, announced his "appointment" of me to be the "Historian" for
the Freeholders.  This led to an expansion of this "SIRD Maps" section
of my web site to include both "Maps" and "History" subsections, each of
which are available from an "Index" page consisting of an article ...
"The Drive Down to Paradise" from The Tribune, dated December 8, 1996.

On April 28, 2003, following several more weeks of detailed research
through microfilm of early property records, and the writing of several
of the "history articles" web pages,  I sent out an "invitation" (to as
many drive residents as I had email addresses for - (mainly
Incorporation Committee members) to come by the web site and have a look
around.  A link to this section of my web site was also included in the
indianriverdrive.net (the "Freeholders Association") web site created by
"Waterfront Jack" and Jeanne Marie.

Direct links to our Indian river Drive Section
Index Page
https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/index.htm

Maps
https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/TownSIRDMapIndex.htm

History
https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/SIRD_History.html

Several, but not all, of the current "History" article entries were
available at that time.  Three that were not are-

      "1895 - 2004, THE DRIVE - That ribbon of asphalt thru our front yards"
      "1947  to date - The Indian River Drive Freeholders Association"
and
      "History of The Indian River Ridge - St. Lucie County, Florida
      (an article for the St. Lucie Historical Society)"

Following a meeting with Tom in late April 2003, to review Freeholder
record files and gather background information for the "1947 to date -
The Indian River Drive Freeholders Association" Article, on May 1, 2003
I wrote Tom to point out the need for revisions to our Freeholders legal
documents as they related to boundaries and proxy voting provisions.

These have finally - this year, after 3 years and 3 different
Presidents, been addressed, corrected, and I assume recorded - although,
the proxy voting provisions change has taken 3 (quarterly) meetings
this year to arrive at phrasing acceptable to the Freeholder membership.

As of May 10, 2003, in a note to Tom, I noted that this "Drive" section
of my web site consisted of 104 "files" and 12.6 Mb of data in the form
of web pages and graphics (and I had "rented" another 25 MB of storage
at Tripod to accommodate this "new" section).

On January 7, 2004, in a reply to Kathy Davis concerning her notes from
our December 11, 2003 Incorporation Committee meeting with Lynn Tipton I
stated:

        "As emphasized myself at this last meeting, and by yourself at(I
        think) every meeting which I've attended in the past year, the
        preparation of a feasibility study for the incorporation of our
        proposed town is essential, required by both versions of Municiple
        Incorporation Statute, the "charge" to this committee, and
        potentially - only one of many costly endeavors.  My (ball park)
        estimate for the preparation of this "preliminary" document would be
        in the range of $10,000 to $20,000 in cash with AT LEAST similar
        amounts in cash equivalent volunteer efforts."

Because the property records research done in early 2003 was now "out
of date", in February and March 2004, I went back through my property
records database and the Tax Appraisers web site records and put in an
additional 2 to 3 weeks effort to revise them and bring them up to date
to reflect ownership changes, property mergers and splits, and changes
to the Tax appraisal data.

Following several more Incorporation Committee meetings in early 2004,
which still had  as their focus, "political action" in the form of
attempting to schedule "informational" meetings with our County
Commissioners and State Representatives, and with no commitment yet
devoted toward the "chartered purpose" for this committee's existence -
the preparation of an Incorporation Feasibility Study, in April 2004 we
agreed to form a small "subcommittee" group to address the drafting of
this report.

Following a few meetings of this "Subcommittee", which left me with the
impression they were also leading to more talk and little action, I
commenced the drafting of, and additional Census and demographics
research for, this report myself... the report you called about.

I sent out a very limited first draft report, with some comments on
April 15, 2004.  This was essentially limited to the description of
lands and boundaries proposed for our town.  On 22 April I posted this
working draft on my web site as an unlinked section to identify, and
address, draft works in progress and sent that link out to all committee
members and "guests".  Over the period from April 21st thru May 24th
this draft evolved, through 6 posted revisions, from an 11 page to a 54
page document.

A "final preliminary draft" was posted - on 24 May 2004, the result of 6
weeks of additional research and writing.  I worked on and revised that
draft, with no input from anyone and, as last posted, it was an almost
"complete" - as required by statute as to form and content,
comprehensive, and in my opinion, better Report than any "professionally
prepared" Incorporation Feasibility Study Report which we'd reviewed -
consisting of 54 pages, and  lacking only the following sections:

1.  An Executive Summary and Overview
2.  The Economic Evaluation
3.  An Impact Analysis - The Effects of Incorporation on the Freeholders
         of the proposed town, and on adjacent Municipal and County
         Governments.

My time to date involved in properties records research, historical
research, census research, writing history articles, and preparing this
preliminary draft - Incorporation Feasibility Study:

Early 2003, Feb & March
      - property records research and mapping ............   7 weeks
Early 2003, March & April
      - property records and historical research ..........  4 weeks
Early 2004, February & March
      - update property records research ..................  2 to 3 weeks
Early 2004, April & May
      - additional census data research, research to confirm adjacent
        municipal annexations and boundaries, and preparation of a
        preliminary draft "Incorporation Feasibility Study"
                                               ............. 5 to 6 weeks

Subtotal ............................................. 18 to 20 weeks
       (Plus several "1/2 days" spent attending various committee and
        subcommittee meetings)

In addition, during the February - September 2004 time period I spent
approximately an additional two weeks effort, as "Historian" for the
Freeholders, related to a proposed St. Lucie County Historic
Preservation Ordinance  - reviewing it in detail, providing comments
about it, updating my detailed property records data base to include
"comments and flags fields" on Drive properties included in the "St.
Lucie County Historic Resources Survey, 2003" which preceded the
drafting of this proposed ordinance and identified "pre 1950" structures
in unincorporaded St. Lucie County with their "State Master Site File
record numbers, and attending public meetings concerning it.  Several
public meeting concerning this proposed ordinance were held in March and
April.

A meeting was held in June 2004 before the planning and zoning board,
with readings before the commission scheduled in September.  The first
reading was held and a second (and final) reading was scheduled for the
Tuesday following Hurricane Frances.  The Storms of 2004 interrupted
this process.  Needless to say, this was removed from the Commissions
agenda.  This was placed back on the Commissions agenda in August 2005
and passed as Ord 05-03.

Time spent related to the proposed St. Lucie County Historic
Preservation Ordinance ................................... 2 weeks

Subtotal (thru September 2004) .................... 20 to 22 weeks

You had committed to work on the Economic Evaluation and Impact Analysis
sections and have them prepared by the End of August 2004 so the full
report could be completed, reviewed in September, copied, the report
presented to the Freeholders at the October 2004 meeting, and then
submitted to our legislative delegation for Bill scheduling and
introduction in the 2005 legislative session - provided the membership
again agreed to proceed with the effort.

We had noted that the Freeholders membership represents only a small
fraction of the potential residents and voters on this issue, and only a
relatively small portion of the membership has ever been present and
voted to proceed with the study preparation (although the votes to
proceed, thus far, have been either unanimous or overwhelmingly
positive).  Basically, our "mandate" for the preparation of this report
is far less that the 50% plus 1 referendum vote which would ultimately
determine if this area is to become a new, incorporated municipality.

Given bill passage in the 2005 legislative session, this would then give
us 9 or 10 months in 2006 to form a Political Action Committee (so we
could get the voter registration information, and addresses for effected
voters) and then proceed with our efforts to identify, inform and
educate them about the upcoming local referendum for incorporation.

Unfortunately, vacations, Hurricanes Frances and Jeanne of September
2004, damage to the river bank and The Drive - and repairs of this
damage interrupted this schedule.

At our October 21, 2004 Freeholders meeting, Commissioner Barnes and The
County Engineer presented the County's plans for repair of our River
bank and The Drive.  The award of contracts for these repairs had been
delayed (at the request of the Freeholders Association) pending review
and revision of the clearing and grubbing requirements in these plans
and specifications from "General" Clearing and Grubbing to "Select"
Clearing and Grubbing - otherwise the contracts would have been awarded
prior to this meeting and briefing.  There were no alternate options
available, or time permitted for public input concerning the methods of
repair which had been selected.  (Contrary to "popular belief" this
change to the specifications did not effect the limits of the bank to be
cleared and grubbed, nor did it effect, the "selection" of specific bank
top trees to be retained.  By definitions contained in the referenced
FDOT Specifications the effect of this change only "permitted" the
cutting of trees and brush in the areas to be cleared and grubbed and
allowed the leaving of the root mass in place to decay.)

The Award of the repair contracts was scheduled for a commission meeting
on October 22nd but was postponed to give the contractors time to review
their bids in light of the change to the plans and specifications for
the work as described above.  The Award of these contracts was placed on
the agenda for the October 26th meeting and the contracts awarded.  I
attended both of these Commission meetings.  In making his motion for
approval of the projects, commissioner Barnes included in his motion an
additional requirement - that a “Citizens AD HOC Committee” be formed to
(it was my impression) coordinate citizens input and concerns on this
project.  Following this meeting, I offered my services to Roger Sharp,
President of the IRDFH Inc., to be our representative to this Committee
for construction issues.  This offer was accepted pending approval by
our Board of Directors.

I then proceeded to aquire and study copies of the pertinent
construction and inspection contracts, plans, and specifications -
including referenced FDOT Specs.  On October 30, 2004 work on the
repairs commenced and I commenced representing the interests of the
Freeholders.  One of the first things done was sending an email letter
of introduction to the county engineer and the president of his hired
inspections service contractor - with copies to Roger and the board
members containing my vision of the scope of services I expected to
provide in the name of the Freeholders.  This language which was later
copied and pasted into a proposal for services provided to the board.
For the next 3 weeks I was "on the road", or "on the bank", or acquiring
and studying plans and specifications - 10 to 16 hours a day - 7 days a
week.

On November 17th Roger requested that I submit a WRITTEN PROPOSAL for my
volunteer services .  I prepared this proposal letter, presented it to
Roger and the Board at a meeting that evening, and left when it started
getting picked apart.

On November 18th Jack Shelton, representing the Board, stopped by and
said that the proposal was not acceptable if I insisted on the phrase
“… educating the Freeholders to the benefit and necessity of this
project – the “phase one” structural component as it’s been identified.”
     They wanted that phrase revised to “… educating the freeholders to the
benefit and necessity of "A" project to stabilize Indian River Drive.”
I’m afraid that this phrase change carried an entirely different (and
unrealistic) connotation that was not acceptable to me.  “This” project
is the one that had been bid, the BOCC had accepted it (unanimously)
after delaying the vote and contracts award for a week to accommodate
freeholder concerns, contracts have been awarded, and construction, and
my inspections, had been proceeding for three weeks prior to the
Freeholder Board meeting being called.  There was no possibility of
"some other" project.

I declined to make the change and terminated my inspection efforts for
the general benefit of, and representing, the Freeholders.  Taking into
effect the extended time involved with this inspection effort, and
converting that into "week equivalent" terms, I would estimate the time
spent on this effort as approximately ................... 8 to 9 weeks

Subtotal (January 2003 thru November 2004) ............. 28 to 31 weeks

I also learned that the Board, apparently at that mid November 2004
meeting, had approved a $10,000 budget to spend on hiring "a
professional" to prepare the Incorporation Feasibility Study which our
Committee had been "working" on for close to three years and which I had
finally taken that bit in my own teeth and produced (I think) a very
good, 54 page "start" on the product the committee was charged with
producing, and which, basically, only lacked the financial analysis
section which Christi was in process of compiling when the Hurricanes
interrupted every ones lives and schedules.  This had been posted for
review and comment, and essentially I had received none, since May 2004

My reaction to these two bits of information was to consider them both
to be personal insults, and "slaps in the face" considering the efforts
that I'd expended for the benefit of the Freeholders.  The decision to
contract the Incorporation Feasibility Study was not a Committee
decision but, I believe, a unilateral decision by the board and the
disbanding, without even the courtesy of a notification, of the
Incorporation Feasibility Study Committee.  At that time, I took the
draft study which I'd prepared down from my web site.

No Incorporation Feasibility Study Committee meetings have been held since.

It is now nearly 2 years later.  The only correspondence that I've seen
re. this Feasibility Study has been immediately preceding quarterly
Freeholders meetings in the form of requests for updates from you to
Carl Flick concerning his efforts toward having this report be prepared
"professionally".  To date, as you reported "for Carl" at our July 2006
Freeholders meeting - little to no progress has actually been
accomplished toward this goal.  All that has actually taken place
appears to have been one meeting with Dr. Ned Murray - back in January
or February 2006.

In 2005 I had little to do with the Freeholders Association, other than
to attend the "business" portion of meetings and offer my services
toward, and continue to "push" for, the necessary revisions to the
Associations legal documents and a revision of the proxy voting provisions.

In 2006, following Adam Locke's election to the board and his
establishment of The Drive's discussion group on Yahoo, I have devoted
perhaps two or three weeks additional effort in researching and
providing information concerning the right of way of Indian River Drive,
the expansions of ROW as shown on recorded plats, and the existence (or
non existence) of recorded Right of Way Maps for "The Drive" - as
required by Statute.

This brings the total of my time dedicated to providing service to the
Freeholders to ................... 31 to 34 weeks .......... spread out
over the past 3 1/2 years, January 2003 through July 2006.

If provided, as a "professional consultant", I would value this time to
be worth between 62 and 68 THOUSAND DOLLARS - not including perhaps an
additional thousand dollars in direct cash expense which I've incurred
in purchasing paper, inks, supplies, copying service fees, vehicle
mileage, books, and public document fees.

Prior to the April 2006 Freeholders meeting I submitted a draft
resolution for consideration, to this (yahoo discussion) group, which
includes many or most members of the Freeholder Board of Directors, to
alleviate the blind spot at Walton Road and The Drive by requesting that
the County clear to the limits of their ROW, as recorded by plat(s).

At this meeting, Commissioner Craft was present, delivered an update on
the Drives repair and revegatation contract works, and indicated that he
would support a request to remove the widening of Indian River Drive
from the Counties Comprehensive Plan.  Based on his statements, and the
length of this meeting, I did not introduce this draft resolution for
consideration, but did request that a special meeting, or meetings, of
the Freeholders be called at which I could present the results of my
plats review research, Drive History, and perhaps introduce resolutions
to be considered for adoption which would address both the continuing
problems, and accidents, experienced at Walton Road as well as a
resolution requesting removal from the County Comprehensive Plan of any
mention of widening SIRD - and perhaps the return by ordinance of the
expanded ROW thus abandoned, obtained by plat "requirements", back to
the effected - adjacent landowners.  This request was reflected in the
minutes for that April 2006 meeting presented in the July 2006
Freeholders newsletter - but has not been addressed.

Now, last Wednesday - after almost 2 years, you call and ask "where is
the draft Incorporation Feasibility Study that I'd prepared and posted?
That you want to give it, as an inducement, to Dr. Ned Murray to get
him to contract with the Freeholders for the "professional preparation"
of this Study Report.

I don't think so.

Not without my permission, participation, and control of my work product(s).

In light of the Boards actions in these matters, I consider this
preliminary draft Incorporation Feasibility Study to be my personal work
product, and assert all copy rights to it - in any of it's posted forms
or revisions - as well as to all of the information which remains posted
at my personal web site.  That 54 page draft report, posted May 24, 2004
and removed in November 2004 represents the results of 18 to 20 weeks of
personal time spent in research and writing.  As a "professional
consultant" I would consider the value of this draft Study, not
including the Economic Evaluation or Impact Analysis Sections, to be
$36,000 to $40,000.  That's at a very nominal "professional consultant"
rate of $50 per hour.

You get what you pay for.  The ten thousand dollars which the board has
budgetted for this report is not likely to get much.  Certainly not a
complete "professionally prepared" Report.  That amount "may" buy the
Economic Evaluation and Impact Analysis.  However, if this
"professional" is required to start from scratch and do his own
properties records research it's far from likely.

If "we" provided an update of "our" property records database to reflect
current tax and properties data (it has not been updated since early
2004 and is now at least 2, and possibly 3, years out of date for
property mergers, splits, valuations and tax assessments) and
provide that information as a "starting Point", maybe.  If not, no way.

I think this is just more of the same "rose colored thinking" that has
led this committee from the start, with little in the way of tangible
results to show for years of supposed effort and no realistic chance for
producing the quality results for which the Incorporation Feasibility
Study Committee was formed.

In addition, after the fiasco involved in the Freeholders refusal to
accept or support the County's massive and expensive repair efforts made
to The Drive, and to our private riverbanks, I also have serious doubts
concerning  the Freeholders ability to provide the necessary leadership
or commitment involved with actually BEING a town or village if this
effort could - or should -  be carried forward.

In my opinion, if The Drive had been on the cusp of becoming "The Town
of Indian River Ridge" at the time of the September 2004 hurricanes, and
given my experience with The Freeholder Associations ability to get
things accomplished, The Drive and the riverbank would still be
unrepaired, would have failed more with Hurricane Wilma in October 2005,
and our town would still be deadlocked in committee meetings trying to
determine how to effect repairs - let alone arranging for funding and
proceeding to contract to get these repairs accomplished.

I may be wrong in this assessment. I do still - basically - support the,
now nearly 5 year long effort to produce an Incorporation Feasibility
Study for the Freeholder membership's review, and a vote to proceed or
not.  After all, the effort by the Freeholder's Association founders
which culminated in the passing of legislation establishing "The Indian
River Drive Zoning District" was a ten year effort - 1938 to 1947.

Convince me that I err in my assessment of how my efforts to provide
services for the benefit of the Freeholders Association have been
accepted or supported, and I "may" permit the use of my research
results, records, and this preliminary draft Incorporation Feasibility
Study - to be completed with respect to the economic evaluation and the
impacts analysis by a paid consultant.  I would however, expect to be
included in this process, not just "turn over" my work product.

The bottom line - Dad has enjoyed living here in Unincorporated St.
Lucie County, on the bank of the Indian River Lagoon for 30 years, I
wish and hope that I will still be here 30 years from now, living in the
Town of Indian River Ridge - on the same bank of the Indian River Lagoon
- not living in the City of Ft. pierce or the City of Port St. Lucie.

St. Lucie County's current committment to the development of "Towns,
Villages, and Country Sides" should be congruent with this wish.

Rick

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Subject: Incorporation Committee  Meeting  - 06 August 2008
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:26:47 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: "William B. Stronge" <strongew@fau.edu>, "Incorporation Committee"
<"Incorporation Committee">

Bill,

In preparation for last nights meeting I incorporated the Economic
analysis Report that you prepared and Christi Mollet edited or "cleaned
up" (It's my understanding with your concurrance and approval) into the
Draft Feasability Study that I'd prepared, and have had posted since
2004.  I incorporated your report in it's entirety into this Draft
Feasibility Study and have reposted it on my web site.  This is still a
"working draft".

This is, and has been, available in HTML and WORD-2003 Format at-
https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/IRR_Incorp_Docs/SIRD_Current.html

I also prepared something of a "TO DO" list for the completion of this
Study document which is attached to this message and was presented to
the committee last night.  I've also attached this Draft Report in it's
current form.

We agreed in Committee that we would recommend to the Board of Directors
that an amendment be prepared to your contract with a concurrent notice
to proceed with Tasks identified as #2, #3, and #4 in your proposal
dated June 21, 2007 - accepted by Robert Ashley, last years IRDFH, Inc.
President.  This Amendment, and notice to procceed, will go out over
Adam Locke's signature - our current President.  Christi has the
computer file of this proposal and will prepare the Amendment for Adam's
and your signature.

As you and I have discussed at some length previously, The Draft Study
that I'd prepared in 2004 - to a significant degree - either addressed
the items covered in your tasks #2,3,and 4, or I have purchased and have
the county documents (Comp Plan & Land Development Code) necessary to
address and include them.

I have accepted the charge to work with you to see that this study, in
it's completed form, satisfies the requirements eneunerated in S165 and
have also accepted the charge to support you with writing, and joint
research, necessary to complete this report.  Ultimately it will be
accepted in committee for presentation to our Board - and then move on
from there.

In your June 21, 2007 proposal for services - you quoted a time of 30
days for the completion of tasks 2,3,& 4.  This may be on the "short
side" and we agreed (in conjunction with my own tentative travel plans
for October) that "I think" this report can be completed by the end of
September.  That's our target date.

I look forward to working with you over the next month+ to bring the
preparation of this study to it's conclusion.

Rick

ATTACHMENTS:
IFS To Do List - 20080806.doc
Town_of_Indian_River_Ridge_Feasibility_Study_REV_200808.doc

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[Fwd: Annexation ?  City of Ft. Pierce future intent .....]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Annexation ?  City of Ft. Pierce future intent .....
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:41:24 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
CC: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll
<jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, The
Drive Group <The_Drive@yahoogroups.com>

   From the Fort Pierce Tribune & TCPALM.COM

What a Story to appear on the front page this morning to provide an
"exclamation point" following last nights Incorporation Committee
meeting and eight years (and counting) of effort - working towards the
possible incorporation of our "Town of Indian River Ridge"!!

Rick

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Will Fort Pierce annex Sheraton Plaza?
By Alexi Howk

Thursday, August 7, 2008

FORT PIERCE — Anyone living in Sheraton Plaza who doesn’t want to be
annexed into the city is just “ignorant,” said Roy “Coach” McGriff.

McGriff, a retired teacher and athletic coach, has lived in the
neighborhood off 25th Street near Juanita Avenue since 1972.

“I think it’s a plus for the community,” McGriff said. “We’ll have
voting power. Not just talk.”

The city wants to annex Sheraton Plaza but needs 189 signatures to ask
property owners in the form of a referendum if they want to be annexed.
City commissioners Rufus Alexander and Reggie Sessions are leading the
effort and want the referendum placed on the Nov. 4 general election
ballot. Having the question on the November ballot would save the city
money versus holding a special election.

The city has about 89 signatures, so far, and has partnered with several
residents to get the remaining signatures. If residents get annexed into
the city they will see about a 20 percent increase in their property
taxes but utility rates will go down. City Manager Dennis Beach said the
reduction in utility rates will almost offset the increase in taxes.

During a meeting last week, several residents objected to the
annexation, saying they didn’t want to pay higher taxes and they didn’t
see the point of being annexed because the neighborhood already has
water and sewer, curb and gutter, and sidewalks. But city officials say
the benefits of extra police protection, code enforcement services and
voting power would make it worth it for residents.

“This is about your ability to influence the future of your community,
and you have much more opportunity to do that being part of the city
than you do being part of the county,” Beach said.

During another meeting Wednesday night, most of the people in attendance
were in support of annexation. At least two women in the audience, who
refused to speak to the media, were not.

“How do we know you’re not shamming us?” one woman shouted.

Alexander said he’s been trying to get Sheraton Plaza annexed for 2 ½
years because the area he represents, District 1, has significantly
lower political representation compared to District 2, which includes
downtown, communities south of Orange Avenue and the beach area.

“I’ve been asking for this for 2 ½ years because my community hasn’t
been treated very well because of the lack of (improvements),” Alexander
said, referring to the city’s revitalization efforts elsewhere such as
downtown and on the beach. “If you want to make a difference and a
change in your utility rates annexing will allow you to vote.”

Sessions said Sheraton Plaza has some of the highest utility rates in
the city because of a 25 percent surcharge on water and sewer outside of
the city limits.

He said his motivation for annexation is to help residents reduce their
utility rates through annexation.

The city’s aggressive annexation policy grows the city’s urban services
area from 25 square miles to 55 square miles when it’s complete. Beach
said much of the southern portion of the city has been annexed, mainly
through annexation agreements, but the city has seen little progress to
the north.

Because of annexation, the city has seen taxable values increase from $1
billion seven years ago to more than $3 billion today, Beach said.
Additionally, with an increased tax base, the city has been able to
reduce the property tax rate by 30 percent in the last three years, he said.

When Sheraton Plaza, an area of roughly 387 properties, was constructed
in the 1970s, it somehow was built with infrastructure without any
annexation agreements with the city, Beach said. He noted he doesn’t
know how that happened. So, the city needs permission from residents to
annex the area.

Beach said if the city doesn’t annex Sheraton Plaza, “We’re going to
have a bunch of holes in the form of unincorporated areas within the
city. We want to fill these holes in the urban area.”

Beach said there were also opportunities for the area to become part of
the Fort Pierce Redevelopment Agency district as the city looks to
expand it. If that happens, residents could be eligible for housing
rehabilitation grants and other redevelopment dollars.

Sheraton Plaza resident Hazel Filoxsian said annexing into the city is
something worthwhile. “We owe our children. I don’t want my child or the
next generation to be turned away from the polls because they can’t vote
on city business.”

How annexation adds up

• An average electric bill of $191.65 per 1,200 kilowatt hours would be
reduced by $9.58

• An average water and sewer bill of $79.72 per 7,000 gallons would be
reduced by $16.18

• A home with an assessed value of $60,000 and a $25,000 homestead
exemption based on last year’s property tax rate and tax code would see
a tax increase of about $61.65


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Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm your
e-mail address
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
From: Challenge Response <>
To: r.e.langdon@att.net

The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com> is
currently using a challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In
order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to
the user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit the
following link:

http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #4
[Fwd: QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:13 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
CC: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll
<joncarroll@comcast.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>

Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
forwarded below.

THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!

I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of it is
also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've received this
"SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive Group
at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a LOT of
heat because of the question!!

However I received it again this morning following my message including
the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans for the Sheraton
Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS The_Drive Group.  I KNOW
that I am not a subscriber to the service behind the issuance of this
challange.  Are any of you?

By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group - NOT
intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group Owner
myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function of the
Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge and
experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or Comcast
(my ISP).

Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive Group,
I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.

Rick

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm your
e-mail address
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
From: Challenge Response <>
To: r.e.langdon@att.net

The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com> is
currently using a challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In
order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to
the user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit the
following link:

http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #5
[Fwd: Re: QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:34:11 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>



Rick:
Hopefully Adam will respond to your question.  I have no answers.  Puzzling.

---- Carl



      From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
      Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:13 -0400
      To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
      <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
      Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
      Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
      Cc: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll
      <joncarroll@comcast.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay
      Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak
<intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
      Subject: QUESTION ??????


      Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
      forwarded below.

      THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!

      I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
      email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of
      it is
      also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've received
      this
      "SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive Group
      at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a LOT of
      heat because of the question!!

      However I received it again this morning following my message
including
      the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans for the
      Sheraton
      Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS The_Drive Group.  I KNOW
      that I am not a subscriber to the service behind the issuance of this
      challange.  Are any of you?

      By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group -
      NOT
      intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group Owner
      myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function of the
      Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge and
      experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or Comcast
      (my ISP).

      Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive
      Group,
      I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.

      Rick

      -------- Original Message --------
      Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm your
      e-mail address
      Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
      From: Challenge Response <>
      To: r.e.langdon@att.net

      The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
      Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
      Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
      Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com> is
      currently using a challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In
      order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to
      the user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit
      the
      following link:

 
http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

      If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
      entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #6
[Fwd: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:48 -0700
From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
CC: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>,
Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan
Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark
Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
References: <489AFA4D.30708@att.net>



I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE ON THIS
LIST.
YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.

I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.

I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.

I HAVE REQUESTED SEVERAL TIMES THAT EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS LIST
REMOVE ME FROM THEIR ADDRESS BOOK. (AS IN DELETE THE RECORD). I HAVE
ASKED.  I HAVE DEMANDED. I HAVE BEGGED.  I HAVE PROFANED AND STILL NO
ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE SIMPLE CONCEPT...

CAN SOMEONE WITH MORE THAN ONE BRAIN CELL PLEASE TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES
TO PURGE MY NAME AND EMAIL FROM ANY AND ALL RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR
CAUSE?

DELETE ME.  STOP CONTACTING ME.

HOW HARD IS IT TO GET YOUR EMAIL REMOVED FROM THIS DAMNED LIST?



On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Rick Langdon wrote:

  > Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
  > forwarded below.
  >
  > THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!
  >
  > I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
  > email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of it
  > is also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've received
  > this "SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive
  > Group at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a
  > LOT of heat because of the question!!
  >
  > However I received it again this morning following my message
  > including the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans for
  > the Sheraton Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS The_Drive
  > Group.  I KNOW that I am not a subscriber to the service behind the
  > issuance of this challange.  Are any of you?
  >
  > By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group -
  > NOT intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group Owner
  > myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function of the
  > Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge and
  > experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or Comcast
  > (my ISP).
  >
  > Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive
  > Group, I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.
  >
  > Rick
  >
  > -------- Original Message --------
  > Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm your
  > e-mail address
  > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
  > From: Challenge Response <>
  > To: r.e.langdon@att.net <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net>
  >
  > The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net
  > <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net>>, Bruce Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com
  > <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com>>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com
  > <mailto:crmollet@aol.com>>, Kevin Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net
  > <mailto:StinneKM@comcast.net>>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net
  > <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net>>, Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net
  > <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com
  > <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com>> is currently using a challenge-response
  > system to combat e-mail spam. In order for your original e-mail to be
  > sent through, and to be added to the user's whitelist so future
  > e-mails are not blocked, please visit the following link:
  >
  > http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143
  >
  > If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
  > entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #7
[Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Resent-From: joncarroll@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:12:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: postoffice
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>

The original message was received at 2008-08-07 07:08:57 -0700
from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1]

     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<joncarroll@comcast.net>

     -----Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to postoffice.local.:
  >>> RCPT To:<joncarroll@comcast.net>
<<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: joncarroll@comcast.net
550 <joncarroll@comcast.net>... User unknown


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                                 #8
[Fwd: Re: QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:35:39 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
References: <C4C07213.6A4A%synergistic@bellsouth.net>

Carl,

OH believe me - they both did - and that lead to a string of flames.
Ref. Group message # 1715 dated May 22, 2008 and forward (if your MAC
can get in).

On another but related subject I've drafted (but not sent yet) the
following message to Bill with CC's to the Incorporation Committee.  I'm
pondering widening that distribution to include Mark, Adam, Kay, Jon,
and Dan (the BOD members who are not on the committee).

Somehow or other we need to get beyond the "Us and Them" attitude that's
holding things back.  In the past, "The Board" has been knowledgeable
and supportive of the effort.  With the change in composition of the
board to one that may be considered to be dominated by followers of Adam
and Julie that doesn't seem to be still a true statement.

I think that part of this is a lack of knowledge, and a lack of
appreciation, for the 8 years of effort by MANY that have brought us to
where we are now.  I see no reason to NOT Change our Committee policy
and expand the distribution of our email correspondence to include all
of the leadership of the IRDFH, Inc.  This is a corporation not a
"club".  My "Town of SIRD" email folder contains 665 emails, most of
this has to do with committee correspondence that "they" are not
familiar with.

Your thoughts?  I'm holding off on contacting Bill by either email or
phone 'till I hear back from you.

Rick



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Incorporation Committee  Meeting  - 06 August 2008
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:26:47 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: "William B. Stronge" <strongew@fau.edu>, "Incorporation Committee"
<"Incorporation Committee">

Bill,

In preparation for last nights meeting I incorporated the Economic
analysis Report that you prepared and Christi Mollet edited or "cleaned
up" (It's my understanding with your concurrance and approval) into the
Draft Feasability Study that I'd prepared, and have had posted since
2004.  I incorporated your report in it's entirety into this Draft
Feasibility Study and have reposted it on my web site.  This is still a
"working draft".

This is, and has been, available in HTML and WORD-2003 Format at-
https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/IRR_Incorp_Docs/SIRD_Current.html

I also prepared something of a "TO DO" list for the completion of this
Study document which is attached to this message and was presented to
the committee last night.  I've also attached this Draft Report in it's
current form.

We agreed in Committee that we would recommend to the Board of Directors
that an amendment be prepared to your contract with a concurrent notice
to proceed with Tasks identified as #2, #3, and #4 in your proposal
dated June 21, 2007 - accepted by Robert Ashley, last years IRDFH, Inc.
President.  This Amendment, and notice to procceed, will go out over
Adam Locke's signature - our current President.  Christi has the
computer file of this proposal and will prepare the Amendment for Adam's
and your signature.

As you and I have discussed at some length previously, The Draft Study
that I'd prepared in 2004 - to a significant degree - either addressed
the items covered in your tasks #2,3,and 4, or I have purchased and have
the county documents (Comp Plan & Land Development Code) necessary to
address and include them.

I have accepted the charge to work with you to see that this study, in
it's completed form, satisfies the requirements eneunerated in S165 and
have also accepted the charge to support you with writing, and joint
research, necessary to complete this report.  Ultimately it will be
accepted in committee for presentation to our Board - and then move on
from there.

In your June 21, 2007 proposal for services - you quoted a time of 30
days for the completion of tasks 2,3,& 4.  This may be on the "short
side" and we agreed (in conjunction with my own tentative travel plans
for October) that "I think" this report can be completed by the end of
September.  At least, that's our current target date.

I look forward to working with you over the next month+ to bring the
preparation of this study to it's conclusion.

Rick



Carl Flick wrote:
  > Rick:
  > Hopefully Adam will respond to your question.  I have no answers.
Puzzling.
  >
  > ---- Carl
  >
  >
  >
  >     From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
  >     Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:13 -0400
  >     To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
  >     <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
  >     Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
  >     Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
  >     Cc: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll
  >     <joncarroll@comcast.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay
  >     Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak
<intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
  >     Subject: QUESTION ??????
  >
  >
  >     Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
  >     forwarded below.
  >
  >     THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!
  >
  >     I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
  >     email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of
  >     it is
  >     also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've received
  >     this
  >     "SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive
Group
  >     at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a LOT of
  >     heat because of the question!!
  >
  >     However I received it again this morning following my message
including
  >     the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans for the
  >     Sheraton
  >     Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS The_Drive Group.  I
KNOW
  >     that I am not a subscriber to the service behind the issuance of
this
  >     challange.  Are any of you?
  >
  >     By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group -
  >     NOT
  >     intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group Owner
  >     myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function of the
  >     Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge and
  >     experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or
Comcast
  >     (my ISP).
  >
  >     Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive
  >     Group,
  >     I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.
  >
  >     Rick
  >
  >     -------- Original Message --------
  >     Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm
your
  >     e-mail address
  >     Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
  >     From: Challenge Response <>
  >     To: r.e.langdon@att.net
  >
  >     The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
  >     Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>,
Kevin
  >     Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
  >     Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton
<TurnnPt@aol.com> is
  >     currently using a challenge-response system to combat e-mail
spam. In
  >     order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be
added to
  >     the user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit
  >     the
  >     following link:
  >
  >
http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143
  >
  >     If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
  >     entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #9
[Fwd: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:54:50 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>
CC: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>,
Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan
Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark
Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
References: <489AFA4D.30708@att.net>
<1758621F-B5F6-43A7-9806-C7D504329E35@comcast.net>

Mr Carroll (at comcast.net),

I'm sorry.  My mistake.  Our Jon has notified us of his change of
address to jonrcarroll@yahoo.com ... I made the change with an addition
of the corrected address to my group address book - but failed to delete
the incorrect entry and picked it in error.  That's now corrected.


Jon Carroll wrote:
  > I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE ON THIS
  > LIST.
  > YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.
  >
  > I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.
  >
  > I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.

-clip-


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                                 #10
[Fwd: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:07:08 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>
References: <489AFA4D.30708@att.net>
<1758621F-B5F6-43A7-9806-C7D504329E35@comcast.net>

Mr Carroll (at comcast.net)

How very strange that you responded to this message - because according
to this "bounce message" delivery failed??

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Resent-From: joncarroll@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:12:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: postoffice
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>

The original message was received at 2008-08-07 07:08:57 -0700
from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1]

      ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<joncarroll@comcast.net>

      -----Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to postoffice.local.:
   >>> RCPT To:<joncarroll@comcast.net>
<<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: joncarroll@comcast.net
550 <joncarroll@comcast.net>... User unknown



Jon Carroll wrote:
  > I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE ON THIS
  > LIST.
  > YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.
  >
  > I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.
  >
  > I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.


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                                 #11
[Fwd: [Fwd: QUESTION ??????]]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Fwd: QUESTION ??????]
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:14:48 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>

Jon - your address has been corrected in my address book "now"
I still had two but picked the wrong one for this message (and we all
heard back from the "other" jon Carroll (at comcast.net).

I've appologized to him with copies to the original distribution
reminding all (here) of your corrected email address.  This won't happen
again - from me at least.

Rick

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: QUESTION ??????
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:13 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>
CC: Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll
<joncarroll@comcast.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>

Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
forwarded below.

THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!

I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of it is
also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've received this
"SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive Group
at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a LOT of
heat because of the question!!

However I received it again this morning following my message including
the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans for the Sheraton
Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS The_Drive Group.  I KNOW
that I am not a subscriber to the service behind the issuance of this
challange.  Are any of you?

By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group - NOT
intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group Owner
myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function of the
Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge and
experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or Comcast
(my ISP).

Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive Group,
I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.

Rick

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please confirm your
e-mail address
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
From: Challenge Response <>
To: r.e.langdon@att.net

The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com> is
currently using a challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In
order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to
the user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit the
following link:

http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in its
entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #12
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:38:07 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
CC: Bruce Wunner <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet
<crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp
<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke
<adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, Jon
Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Bob/Kris Ashley
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, Kriste Ashley <cookie2711@comcast.net>




Everyone on Indian River Drive:
Stop torturing this fella below who lives west of the Rockies!  He is
the wrong "Jon Carroll".  He's absolutely right to be very annoyed.
   Update your address books now.  The correct address for the "Jon
Carroll" who lives on Indian River Drive, St. Lucie County, Florida is
the following e-mail address:

<jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>  -- Correct Indian River Drive, Florida address

The person below lives in California.  There should never be another
mistaken message sent to California again.   This borders on
incompetence that people can't get this straight.

Make your address book updates now, please.

Carl Flick


-----------------


From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net> - In California (Wrong address)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:48 -0700
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
Cc: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>,
Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan
Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark
Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????


    I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE ON
    THIS LIST.
    YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.

    I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.

    I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.

    I HAVE REQUESTED SEVERAL TIMES THAT EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS LIST
    REMOVE ME FROM THEIR ADDRESS BOOK. (AS IN DELETE THE RECORD). I HAVE
    ASKED.  I HAVE DEMANDED. I HAVE BEGGED.  I HAVE PROFANED AND STILL NO
    ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE SIMPLE CONCEPT...

    CAN SOMEONE WITH MORE THAN ONE BRAIN CELL PLEASE TAKE IT UPON
    THEMSELVES TO PURGE MY NAME AND EMAIL FROM ANY AND ALL RECORDS
    ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR CAUSE?

    DELETE ME.  STOP CONTACTING ME.

    HOW HARD IS IT TO GET YOUR EMAIL REMOVED FROM THIS DAMNED LIST?




On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Rick Langdon wrote:

      Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the challange
      forwarded below.

      THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!

      I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a LOT of
      email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and a lot of
      it is also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time that I've
      received this "SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've made a posting to
      The_Drive Group at Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and
      received a LOT of heat because of the question!!

      However I received it again this morning following my message
      including the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation plans
      for the Sheraton Plaza community, addressed to all of you PLUS
      The_Drive Group.  I KNOW that I am not a subscriber to the service
      behind the issuance of this challange.  Are any of you?

      By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the group -
      NOT intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a Yahoo Group
      Owner myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance service or function
      of the Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to the best of my knowledge
      and experience, a functin or service of AT&T (my email service) or
      Comcast (my ISP).

      Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at The_Drive
      Group, I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange responce link.

      Rick


          -------- Original Message --------
          Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please
          confirm your e-mail address
          Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
          From: Challenge Response <>
          To: r.e.langdon@att.net

          The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
          Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>,
          Kevin Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon
          <r.e.langdon@att.net>, Roger Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack
          Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com> is currently using a
          challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In order for
          your original e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to the
          user's whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit
          the following link:


http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

          If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it in
          its entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.


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                                 #13
[Fwd: Re: Eden Post Office]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Eden Post Office
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:37:40 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: webmaster@nasatech.net
References: <4898CFC7.3050905@att.net>
<4898C370.26822.907C86@webmaster.nasatech.net>

Mr. O'Conner,

It seems we both have a similar view on the importance of preserving (in
one fashion or another) the historic properties in our area and perhaps
similar backgrounds.. I'm also an engineer - civil and spent my working
life basically in construction.  I spent a great deal of time working
with county staff in developing and reviewing the County's Historic
Preservation Ordinance in 2004 & adopted in 2005.  This does not extend
to interiors - only streetscapes and exteriors.  What you are capable of
providing is a great service to the public who might never otherwise get
the chance to see inside these properties..

As for your difficulty in accessing my web site, I really don't
understand why - although I have occasionally had people tell me that.
I've tested it with both netscape and IE and have no problems with
either other than the occasional "appearance" issues.  Perhaps
nasatech.net has been set-up to block access to tripod.com?

I would very much appreciate the opportunity to work with you to see if
we could photograph interiors of our historic homes on The Drive.  I've
been fortunate to be invited into several - and they are truly
treasures.  However, over the next month and a half, I'll be heavily
involved in another project.  Hopefully after that we can get together
and try to make this happen.

Thank you for the offer,

Rick Langdon

webmaster@nasatech.net wrote:
  > Mr. Langdon,
  >
  > This is precisely why I'm archiving these old buildings.  When more
people
  > see the decrepit state of these historic and, in some cases,
structurally
  > interesting buildings perhaps the fire under the rear ends of the county
  > poobahs will be stoked a little higher.  Given the deplorable state
of the
  > economy the fire will have to be hot and high, indeed.
  >
  > You mentioned other structures on the drive.  Perhaps, if you can
make the
  > arrangements, you could get me access to these structures.  I'm not a
bit
  > averse to the notion of 'double-teaming' the county in this regard.
  >
  > Please let me know if you're interested.
  >
  > I went to your Eden PO page and the article did not load, it was
blank where
  > the article should be.
  >
  > Best regards,
  >
  > John O'Connor
  >     i/ota Internet Services
  >     Panometrics Technical Imaging
  >     http://i-ota.net
  >     http://nasatech.net
  >     772.464.1209


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                                 #14
[Fwd: Resignation]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Resignation
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:32:28 -0400
From: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
To: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Roger Sharp <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>,
Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
CC: "William B. Stronge" <strongew@fau.edu>, Adam Locke
<adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Dan Divan
<artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>

All,

Carl's message today time stamped 11:38 AM - is the final straw and
insult that's broken this camel's back.

I resign my service to The Incorporation Committee of the Indian River
Drive Freeholders, Inc. and further reassert copyright to the drafted
working copy of the Incorporation Feasibility Study that I've had posted
on my web site since 2004 (and revised once in 2006) as well as all of
the other history articles and maps posted within this section of my web
site starting in 2003.

https://members.tripod.com/rickinbham/TownOfSIRD/index.htm

This section will not be taken down.  Over the years since I started
posting to it I've heard from dozens of people thanking me for it's
publication and asking questions about the area.  It is, and has, served
it's purpose.

In a message to this Committee, and also posted on The_Drive Group
(#262) dated  08 August 2006 I recapped the time and effort I'd
accumulated in research and publishing those results in support of the
Freeholders Association and The_Drive Group and included the following
summary assessment to that point in time:

"This brings the total of my time dedicated to providing service to
the Freeholders to ................... 31 to 34 weeks .......... spread
out over the past 3 1/2 years, January 2003 through July 2006."

"If provided, as a "professional consultant", I would value this time to
be worth between 62 and 68 THOUSAND DOLLARS - not including perhaps an
additional thousand dollars in direct cash expense which I've incurred
in purchasing paper, inks, supplies, copying service fees, vehicle
mileage, books, and public document fees."

To this, several hundred more hours of effort and travel can be added
supporting the committee's and Dr. Stronge efforts since he was was
hired to compile this Incorporation Feasibility Study report.

Bill, I'm sorry to say it, but you're on your own now and do NOT have my
permission to directly use any of my research materials compiled and
furnished to you for aid and reference in furtherance of you producing
this Incorporation Feasibility Study for the Indian River Drive
Freeholders, Inc.

Years of observing the bickering, infighting, and lack of progress that
exists in this Committee, and this Association, make me more fearful of
the possibility of this area incorporating as a new St. Lucie County
municipality than does the remote likely hood of being incorporated
into a neighboring city by annexation.  Rest assured that if this
incorporation effort does move forward - or an annexation attempt should
raise it ugly head - I will do all in my power to derail it.

Bob & Kristie may have been correct by totally disassociating themselves
with the IRDFH, Inc.  However I do intend to remain a member and do my
part to protect and retain it's reputation and intregrity - if that's
possible.  Unfortunately, I feel to a great degree, the damage is done
and will be difficult if not impossible to undo.

Rick


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:38:07 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
CC: Bruce Wunner <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet
<crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp
<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke
<adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, Jon
Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Bob/Kris Ashley
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, Kriste Ashley <cookie2711@comcast.net>




Everyone on Indian River Drive:
Stop torturing this fella below who lives west of the Rockies!  He is
the wrong "Jon Carroll".  He's absolutely right to be very annoyed.
      Update your address books now.  The correct address for the "Jon
Carroll" who lives on Indian River Drive, St. Lucie County, Florida is
the following e-mail address:

<jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>  -- Correct Indian River Drive, Florida address

The person below lives in California.  There should never be another
mistaken message sent to California again.   This borders on
incompetence that people can't get this straight.

Make your address book updates now, please.

Carl Flick


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                                   #15
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:52:23 -0400
From: "Kevin & Marilyn" <stinnekm@comcast.net>
To: "Carl Flick" <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
CC: "Bruce Wunner" <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, "Christi Mollet"
<crmollet@aol.com>, "Roger Sharp" <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, "Jack
Shelton" <TurnnPt@aol.com>, "Adam Locke" <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, "Dan
Divan" <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, "Kay Hill" <KayHPelican@aol.com>,
"Mark Novak" <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, "Jon Carroll"
<joncarroll@comcast.net>, "Rick Langdon" <r.e.langdon@att.net>, "Jon
Carroll" <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, "Bob/Kris Ashley"
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, "Kriste Ashley" <cookie2711@comcast.net>
References: <C4C08F1F.6A54%synergistic@bellsouth.net>



     This guy isn't in anyone's address book. He is on old emails that
some people occasionally reply to instead of pulling everybody's
addresses out of their address books.
     I think we will be careful about it but... all it takes is for
someone who got one of our committee emails at some point when Jon had
the email address to pull up the old email from some folder and "reply
all", and the guy will get that email and will get a series of answers
as we fire them off in reply-all.
     If competence is everyone we have ever shared an email with scouring
all of the emails in their "incorporation" folders for the guy's email
address and deleting them then I'm for incompetence.
     We all should learn that there are times when we should just say
nothing.
     ...and if this is the greatest worry the guy has he is doesn't need
my sympathy.
Kevin

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Carl Flick <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net>
      Cc: Bruce Wunner <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com> ; Christi Mollet
      <mailto:crmollet@aol.com> ; Kevin Stinette
      <mailto:StinneKM@comcast.net> ; Roger Sharp
      <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net> ; Jack Shelton
      <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com> ; Adam Locke
      <mailto:adamfla1@bellsouth.net> ; Dan Divan
      <mailto:artdogali@bellsouth.net> ; Kay Hill
      <mailto:KayHPelican@aol.com> ; Mark Novak
      <mailto:intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com> ; Jon Carroll
      <mailto:joncarroll@comcast.net> ; Rick Langdon
      <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net> ; Jon Carroll
      <mailto:jonrcarroll@yahoo.com> ; Bob/Kris Ashley
      <mailto:Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil> ; Kriste Ashley
      <mailto:cookie2711@comcast.net>
      Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:38 AM
      Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.


      Everyone on Indian River Drive:
      Stop torturing this fella below who lives west of the Rockies!  He
      is the wrong "Jon Carroll".  He's absolutely right to be very
      annoyed.  Update your address books now.  The correct address for
      the "Jon Carroll" who lives on Indian River Drive, St. Lucie County,
      Florida is the following e-mail address:

      <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com <mailto:jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>>  -- Correct
      Indian River Drive, Florida address

      The person below lives in California.  There should never be another
      mistaken message sent to California again.   This borders on
      incompetence that people can't get this straight.

      Make your address book updates now, please.

      Carl Flick


      -----------------


      From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net
      <mailto:joncarroll@comcast.net>> - In California (Wrong address)
      Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:48 -0700
      To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net>>
      Cc: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net
      <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net>>, Bruce Wunner
      <sbwunner42@yahoo.com <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com>>, Christi Mollet
      <crmollet@aol.com <mailto:crmollet@aol.com>>, Kevin Stinette
      <StinneKM@comcast.net <mailto:StinneKM@comcast.net>>, Roger Sharp
      <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>>, Jack
      Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com>>, Adam Locke
      <adamfla1@bellsouth.net <mailto:adamfla1@bellsouth.net>>, Dan Divan
      <artdogali@bellsouth.net <mailto:artdogali@bellsouth.net>>, Kay Hill
      <KayHPelican@aol.com <mailto:KayHPelican@aol.com>>, Mark Novak
      <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com
<mailto:intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>>
      Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????


        I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE ON
        THIS LIST.
        YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.

        I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.

        I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.

        I HAVE REQUESTED SEVERAL TIMES THAT EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS
        LIST REMOVE ME FROM THEIR ADDRESS BOOK. (AS IN DELETE THE
        RECORD). I HAVE ASKED.  I HAVE DEMANDED. I HAVE BEGGED.  I HAVE
        PROFANED AND STILL NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE SIMPLE
        CONCEPT...

        CAN SOMEONE WITH MORE THAN ONE BRAIN CELL PLEASE TAKE IT UPON
        THEMSELVES TO PURGE MY NAME AND EMAIL FROM ANY AND ALL RECORDS
        ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR CAUSE?

        DELETE ME.  STOP CONTACTING ME.

        HOW HARD IS IT TO GET YOUR EMAIL REMOVED FROM THIS DAMNED LIST?




      On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Rick Langdon wrote:

          Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the
          challange forwarded below.

          THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous accusation"!

          I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive a
          LOT of email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at Yahoo, and
          a lot of it is also to long lists of addressees.  The ONLY time
          that I've received this "SPAM CHALLANGE" notice is when I've
          made a posting to The_Drive Group at Yahoo.  I asked this
          question once before - and received a LOT of heat because of the
          question!!

          However I received it again this morning following my message
          including the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's annexation
          plans for the Sheraton Plaza community, addressed to all of you
          PLUS The_Drive Group.  I KNOW that I am not a subscriber to the
          service behind the issuance of this challange.  Are any of you?

          By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the
          group - NOT intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a
          Yahoo Group Owner myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance
          service or function of the Yahoo Groups service.  It's also, to
          the best of my knowledge and experience, a functin or service of
          AT&T (my email service) or Comcast (my ISP).

          Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at
          The_Drive Group, I've purposely NOT - clicked on the challange
          responce link.

          Rick


              -------- Original Message --------
              Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY - Please
              confirm your e-mail address
              Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
              From: Challenge Response <>
              To: r.e.langdon@att.net

              The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce
              Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet
              <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>,
              Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>, Roger
              Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton
              <TurnnPt@aol.com> is currently using a challenge-response
              system to combat e-mail spam. In order for your original
              e-mail to be sent through, and to be added to the user's
              whitelist so future e-mails are not blocked, please visit
              the following link:


http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

              If you are unable to click on the link above, please copy it
              in its entirety and paste it into your web browser. Thank you.



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                                   #16
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:32:48 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
To: Kevin & Marilyn <stinnekm@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon
<r.e.langdon@att.net>
CC: Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, Jack/Elena Shelton
<turnnpt@aol.com>, Bruce Wunner <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Roger/Susan
Sharp <sharpflite@comcast.net>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Adam
Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Kriste Ashley <cookie2711@comcast.net>,
Bob/Kris Ashley <Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>



All:
I overreacted.  I hadn't even checked the source of the problem (today's
writer),  ...I just reacted to this guy in California pleading to be
left off our communications.

Rick was gracious about apologizing to the man in California, which is
all that was needed.  I saw Rick's regret letter after I'd sent off my
note and only then realized that Rick was the one who mistakenly used
the wrong address.  Understandable in retrospect.  My apologies go to
Rick.  Your mistake was indeed an innocent act.

At the very end of the Incorporation meeting yesterday, I heard Jon
discuss this problem and how long it had gone on.  But he felt it was
finally addressed.  So I was shocked to see it crop up once again this
morning.  I do feel sorry for the Jon Carroll in California, because it
isn't for lack of asking on his part to correct this.

Kevin, you certainly explained how this could happen repeatedly.  You're
absolutely right

Again, my apologies to Rick.  You're intentions were good and honorable.
   And I recognize that.

--- Carl



      From: "Kevin & Marilyn" <stinnekm@comcast.net>
      Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:52:23 -0400
      To: "Carl Flick" <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
      Cc: "Bruce Wunner" <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, "Christi Mollet"
      <crmollet@aol.com>, "Roger Sharp" <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, "Jack
      Shelton" <TurnnPt@aol.com>, "Adam Locke" <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>,
      "Dan Divan" <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, "Kay Hill"
      <KayHPelican@aol.com>, "Mark Novak"
      <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, "Jon Carroll"
      <joncarroll@comcast.net>, "Rick Langdon" <r.e.langdon@att.net>, "Jon
      Carroll" <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, "Bob/Kris Ashley"
      <Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, "Kriste Ashley"
<cookie2711@comcast.net>
      Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.


        This guy isn't in anyone's address book. He is on old emails that
      some people occasionally reply to instead of pulling everybody's
      addresses out of their address books.
        I think we will be careful about it but... all it takes is for
      someone who got one of our committee emails at some point when Jon
      had the email address to pull up the old email from some folder and
      "reply all", and the guy will get that email and will get a series
      of answers as we fire them off in reply-all.
        If competence is everyone we have ever shared an email with
      scouring all of the emails in their "incorporation" folders for the
      guy's email address and deleting them then I'm for incompetence.
        We all should learn that there are times when we should just say
      nothing.
        ...and if this is the greatest worry the guy has he is doesn't
      need my sympathy.
      Kevin

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Carl Flick <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net>
          Cc: Bruce Wunner <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com>  ; Christi Mollet
          <mailto:crmollet@aol.com>  ; Kevin Stinette
          <mailto:StinneKM@comcast.net>  ; Roger Sharp
          <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>  ; Jack Shelton
          <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com>  ; Adam Locke
          <mailto:adamfla1@bellsouth.net>  ; Dan Divan
          <mailto:artdogali@bellsouth.net>  ; Kay Hill
          <mailto:KayHPelican@aol.com>  ; Mark Novak
          <mailto:intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>  ; Jon Carroll
          <mailto:joncarroll@comcast.net>  ; Rick Langdon
          <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net>  ; Jon Carroll
          <mailto:jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>  ; Bob/Kris Ashley
          <mailto:Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>  ; Kriste Ashley
          <mailto:cookie2711@comcast.net>
          Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:38 AM
          Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address
          books, now.


          Everyone on Indian River Drive:
          Stop torturing this fella below who lives west of the Rockies!
           He is the wrong "Jon Carroll".  He's absolutely right to be
          very annoyed.  Update your address books now.  The correct
          address for the "Jon Carroll" who lives on Indian River Drive,
          St. Lucie County, Florida is the following e-mail address:

          <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>  -- Correct Indian River Drive, Florida
          address

          The person below lives in California.  There should never be
          another mistaken message sent to California again.   This
          borders on incompetence that people can't get this straight.

          Make your address book updates now, please.

          Carl Flick


          -----------------


          From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net> - In California
          (Wrong address)
          Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:48 -0700
          To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>
          Cc: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
          <sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
          Stinette <StinneKM@comcast.net>, Roger Sharp
          <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam
          Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan Divan
          <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill <KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark
          Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>
          Subject: Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR LIST---QUESTION ??????


          I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER TO EACH AND EVERYONE
          ON THIS LIST.
          YET, IN MY CONTINUED FRUSTRATION I WILL TRY AGAIN.

          I DO NOT LIVE IN FLORIDA. I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.

          I AM NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH.

          I HAVE REQUESTED SEVERAL TIMES THAT EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON
          THIS LIST REMOVE ME FROM THEIR ADDRESS BOOK. (AS IN DELETE THE
          RECORD). I HAVE ASKED.  I HAVE DEMANDED. I HAVE BEGGED.  I HAVE
          PROFANED AND STILL NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE SIMPLE
          CONCEPT...

          CAN SOMEONE WITH MORE THAN ONE BRAIN CELL PLEASE TAKE IT UPON
          THEMSELVES TO PURGE MY NAME AND EMAIL FROM ANY AND ALL RECORDS
          ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR CAUSE?

          DELETE ME.  STOP CONTACTING ME.

          HOW HARD IS IT TO GET YOUR EMAIL REMOVED FROM THIS DAMNED LIST?



          On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Rick Langdon wrote:

              Folks - please help me try to idendify the reason for the
              challange forwarded below.

              THIS IS NOT, as some have termed it, a "slanderous
accusation"!

              I just want to get to the bottom of it.  I send and receive
              a LOT of email.  A good portion of that is to Groups at
              Yahoo, and a lot of it is also to long lists of addressees.
               The ONLY time that I've received this "SPAM CHALLANGE"
              notice is when I've made a posting to The_Drive Group at
              Yahoo.  I asked this question once before - and received a
              LOT of heat because of the question!!

              However I received it again this morning following my
              message including the TC Plam article about Ft. Pierce's
              annexation plans for the Sheraton Plaza community, addressed
              to all of you PLUS The_Drive Group.  I KNOW that I am not a
              subscriber to the service behind the issuance of this
              challange.  Are any of you?

              By the way, I checked and the message HAS been posted to the
              group - NOT intercepted pending approval.  I also know, as a
              Yahoo Group Owner myself, that this is NOT a spam avoidance
              service or function of the Yahoo Groups service.  It's also,
              to the best of my knowledge and experience, a functin or
              service of AT&T (my email service) or Comcast (my ISP).

              Despite receiving several challenges now to postings at
              The_Drive Group, I've purposely NOT - clicked on the
              challange responce link.

              Rick


                  -------- Original Message --------
                  Subject: [Spam Challenge] PLEASE READ COMPLETELY -
                  Please confirm your e-mail address
                  Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:36 -0400
                  From: Challenge Response <>
                  To: r.e.langdon@att.net

                  The account Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>,
                  Bruce Wunner<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet
                  <crmollet@aol.com>, Kevin
                  Stinette<StinneKM@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon
                  <r.e.langdon@att.net>, Roger
                  Sharp<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton
                  <TurnnPt@aol.com> is currently using a
                  challenge-response system to combat e-mail spam. In
                  order for your original e-mail to be sent through, and
                  to be added to the user's whitelist so future e-mails
                  are not blocked, please visit the following link:


http://mail.acceleration.net/challenge/?folder=012008080708443623193143

                  If you are unable to click on the link above, please
                  copy it in its entirety and paste it into your web
                  browser. Thank you.



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[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:51:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: jonrcarroll@yahoo.com
To: Kevin & Marilyn <stinnekm@comcast.net>, Rick Langdon
<r.e.langdon@att.net>, Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
CC: Jack/Elena Shelton <turnnpt@aol.com>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Roger/Susan Sharp <sharpflite@comcast.net>,
Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Adam Locke <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>,
Kriste Ashley <cookie2711@comcast.net>, Bob/Kris Ashley
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>



Just to clarify once again, Jon Carroll of Florida never had my name @
comcast.net, nor ever used my name @ comcast.net, nor ever gave
out my name @ comcast.net .  I had my name @ adelphia.net prior to
Adelphia's aquisition by Comcast and was not able to get the name due to
Mr. Carroll of California already having the name.  Hence, my change
from Adelphia to Yahoo.  Please note that my current email also has my
middle initial "r" and is with Yahoo.

Thanks for your understanding.  Hoping Mr. Carroll of California does
not get any more of our important correspondence.  Also hoping that you
reconsider your resigation Rick.



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                                   #18
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:26:22 -0700
From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>
To: "Kevin & Marilyn" <stinnekm@comcast.net>
CC: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, Bruce Wunner
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, Christi Mollet <crmollet@aol.com>, Roger Sharp
<SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, Jack Shelton <TurnnPt@aol.com>, Adam Locke
<adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, Dan Divan <artdogali@bellsouth.net>, Kay Hill
<KayHPelican@aol.com>, Mark Novak <intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, Rick
Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>, Jon Carroll <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>,
Bob/Kris Ashley <Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, Kriste Ashley
<cookie2711@comcast.net>
References: <C4C08F1F.6A54%synergistic@bellsouth.net>
<00f701c8f8f9$692a8ac0$0202a8c0@toshibauser>




Thanks Kevin -- but I could care less about your sympathy as it is clear
you could care less to actually take your own advice to get off your
lazy ass and not hit "reply to all".
Your email perfectly illustrates my point re: continued incompetence.



On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Kevin & Marilyn wrote:

  >    This guy isn't in anyone's address book. He is on old emails that
  > some people occasionally reply to instead of pulling everybody's
  > addresses out of their address books.
  >    I think we will be careful about it but... all it takes is for
  > someone who got one of our committee emails at some point when Jon had
  > the email address to pull up the old email from some folder and "reply
  > all", and the guy will get that email and will get a series of answers
  > as we fire them off in reply-all.
  >    If competence is everyone we have ever shared an email with
  > scouring all of the emails in their "incorporation" folders for the
  > guy's email address and deleting them then I'm for incompetence.
  >    We all should learn that there are times when we should just say
  > nothing.
  >    ...and if this is the greatest worry the guy has he is doesn't need
  > my sympathy.
  > Kevin


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                                   #19
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:26:44 -0400
From: "Kevin & Marilyn" <stinnekm@comcast.net>
To: "Jon Carroll" <joncarroll@comcast.net>
CC: "Carl Flick" <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, "Bruce Wunner"
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, "Christi Mollet" <crmollet@aol.com>, "Roger
Sharp" <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, "Jack Shelton" <TurnnPt@aol.com>, "Adam
Locke" <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, "Dan Divan" <artdogali@bellsouth.net>,
"Kay Hill" <KayHPelican@aol.com>, "Mark Novak"
<intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, "Rick Langdon" <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
"Jon Carroll" <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, "Bob/Kris Ashley"
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, "Kriste Ashley" <cookie2711@comcast.net>
References: <C4C08F1F.6A54%synergistic@bellsouth.net>
<00f701c8f8f9$692a8ac0$0202a8c0@toshibauser>
<BAF655EE-4C23-4987-88B6-42AFFCFD0DB2@comcast.net>



My lazy ass is admonished and I'm emailing a "reply all" when I should
just say nothing.
I did check to make sure I had your address right.
Kevin

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jon Carroll <mailto:joncarroll@comcast.net>
      To: Kevin & Marilyn <mailto:stinnekm@comcast.net>
      Cc: Carl Flick <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net> ; Bruce Wunner
      <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com> ; Christi Mollet
      <mailto:crmollet@aol.com> ; Roger Sharp
      <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net> ; Jack Shelton
      <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com> ; Adam Locke
      <mailto:adamfla1@bellsouth.net> ; Dan Divan
      <mailto:artdogali@bellsouth.net> ; Kay Hill
      <mailto:KayHPelican@aol.com> ; Mark Novak
      <mailto:intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com> ; Rick Langdon
      <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net> ; Jon Carroll
      <mailto:jonrcarroll@yahoo.com> ; Bob/Kris Ashley
      <mailto:Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil> ; Kriste Ashley
      <mailto:cookie2711@comcast.net>
      Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.


      Thanks Kevin -- but I could care less about your sympathy as it is
      clear you could care less to actually take your own advice to get
      off your lazy ass and not hit "reply to all".
      Your email perfectly illustrates my point re: continued incompetence.



      On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Kevin & Marilyn wrote:

  >        This guy isn't in anyone's address book. He is on old emails
  >     that some people occasionally reply to instead of pulling
  >     everybody's addresses out of their address books.
  >        I think we will be careful about it but... all it takes is for
  >     someone who got one of our committee emails at some point when Jon
  >     had the email address to pull up the old email from some folder
  >     and "reply all", and the guy will get that email and will get a
  >     series of answers as we fire them off in reply-all.
  >        If competence is everyone we have ever shared an email with
  >     scouring all of the emails in their "incorporation" folders for
  >     the guy's email address and deleting them then I'm for incompetence.
  >        We all should learn that there are times when we should just
  >     say nothing.
  >        ...and if this is the greatest worry the guy has he is doesn't
  >     need my sympathy.
  >     Kevin



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                                   #20
[Fwd: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books, now.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:59:36 -0700
From: Jon Carroll <joncarroll@comcast.net>
To: "Kevin & Marilyn" <stinnekm@comcast.net>
CC: "Carl Flick" <synergistic@bellsouth.net>, "Bruce Wunner"
<sbwunner42@yahoo.com>, "Christi Mollet" <crmollet@aol.com>, "Roger
Sharp" <SHARPFLITE@comcast.net>, "Jack Shelton" <TurnnPt@aol.com>, "Adam
Locke" <adamfla1@bellsouth.net>, "Dan Divan" <artdogali@bellsouth.net>,
"Kay Hill" <KayHPelican@aol.com>, "Mark Novak"
<intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com>, "Rick Langdon" <r.e.langdon@att.net>,
"Jon Carroll" <jonrcarroll@yahoo.com>, "Bob/Kris Ashley"
<Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil>, "Kriste Ashley" <cookie2711@comcast.net>
References: <C4C08F1F.6A54%synergistic@bellsouth.net>
<00f701c8f8f9$692a8ac0$0202a8c0@toshibauser>
<BAF655EE-4C23-4987-88B6-42AFFCFD0DB2@comcast.net>
<001301c8f941$43c16f40$0202a8c0@toshibauser>



then I apologize.  you're not lazy or incompetent.  You're just simply
an ass.

On Aug 8, 2008, at 3:26 AM, Kevin & Marilyn wrote:

  > My lazy ass is admonished and I'm emailing a "reply all" when I should
  > just say nothing.
  > I did check to make sure I had your address right.
  > Kevin
  >
  >     ----- Original Message -----
  >     From: Jon Carroll <mailto:joncarroll@comcast.net>
  >     To: Kevin & Marilyn <mailto:stinnekm@comcast.net>
  >     Cc: Carl Flick <mailto:synergistic@bellsouth.net> ; Bruce Wunner
  >     <mailto:sbwunner42@yahoo.com> ; Christi Mollet
  >     <mailto:crmollet@aol.com> ; Roger Sharp
  >     <mailto:SHARPFLITE@comcast.net> ; Jack Shelton
  >     <mailto:TurnnPt@aol.com> ; Adam Locke
  >     <mailto:adamfla1@bellsouth.net> ; Dan Divan
  >     <mailto:artdogali@bellsouth.net> ; Kay Hill
  >     <mailto:KayHPelican@aol.com> ; Mark Novak
  >     <mailto:intracoastalwaterway@yahoo.com> ; Rick Langdon
  >     <mailto:r.e.langdon@att.net> ; Jon Carroll
  >     <mailto:jonrcarroll@yahoo.com> ; Bob/Kris Ashley
  >     <mailto:Robert.ashley@autec.navy.mil> ; Kriste Ashley
  >     <mailto:cookie2711@comcast.net>
  >     Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:26 AM
  >     Subject: Re: Help this person out and correct your address books,
now.
  >
  >
  >     Thanks Kevin -- but I could care less about your sympathy as it is
  >     clear you could care less to actually take your own advice to get
  >     off your lazy ass and not hit "reply to all".
  >     Your email perfectly illustrates my point re: continued
  >     incompetence.
  >
  >
  >
  >     On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Kevin & Marilyn wrote:
  >
  >>        This guy isn't in anyone's address book. He is on old emails
  >>     that some people occasionally reply to instead of pulling
  >>     everybody's addresses out of their address books.
  >>        I think we will be careful about it but... all it takes is for
  >>     someone who got one of our committee emails at some point when
  >>     Jon had the email address to pull up the old email from some
  >>     folder and "reply all", and the guy will get that email and will
  >>     get a series of answers as we fire them off in reply-all.
  >>        If competence is everyone we have ever shared an email with
  >>     scouring all of the emails in their "incorporation" folders for
  >>     the guy's email address and deleting them then I'm for
incompetence.
  >>        We all should learn that there are times when we should just
  >>     say nothing.
  >>        ...and if this is the greatest worry the guy has he is doesn't
  >>     need my sympathy.
  >>     Kevin
  >
  >
  >



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                                   #21
[Fwd: Please send...]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Please send...
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:14:15 -0400
From: Carl Flick <synergistic@bellsouth.net>
To: Rick Langdon <r.e.langdon@att.net>




Rick:
Have you resigned from the Incorporation Committee?  I hope not, but I
don't know.

I remember a few years ago I had some strong misgivings about your
conduct towards others and I sent you a personal letter (only to you)
explaining my position in detail.  You responded positively and thanked
me for keeping my issues with you -- just between us, and not sending to
a larger audience.  In the end, you and I resolved our issues (within a
private dialogue between us) and moved on.

I have not received any direct messages from you since our latest
Incorporation Committee meeting, but it appears that others on the
Incorporation Committee and Board may have.  No one has copied me, so I
don't know.  If I was excluded from a message you sent, that action
would appear counter to the philosophy you previously supported above.

As you know, you received an immediate apology from me.  When
"California Jon Carroll" launched off, I didn't realized that he was
reacting to your mis-sent e-mail.  I just read his angry letter and
responded with a request for people to update their address books.  This
was my mistake,  ...and I immediately owned up to it (to you) and made
sure the Incorporation Committee and Board were also aware.

So please include me on any of your previous correspondence from last
week.  It makes sense to send any resignation letters to the chair of
the committee.  Let me know what your plans are.  I do hope you'll
continue to remain with our group.  You are a valued member who has
contributed valued work.  On the other hand, if you have determined that
your remaining is not possible, please let me know whether your previous
work will be shared with your neighbors.  If you do not intend to share
it, it would be helpful for me to know this now.   Adjustments will then
be made and I will have to redo the work in some form.  Again, it is my
hope that you'll remain, or that we may benefit from your generous
labors to date.

Write me back and let me know.  Also, please send me any previous
correspondence that I was not a part of.  Thanks, Rick.

--- Carl


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